Posted by: Huckleberry Dumbell, Editor In Chief | June 8, 2008

Picture Frame Stadium


This is the baseball field at Frame Park. There is a proposal to spend $1 million dollars to turn it into a stadium for Northwoods League baseball. I took a walk around the field the other day and tried to imagine what changes would have to take place on that footprint to make it happen. This is the footprint:

Lots of money was spent to bring Frame Park back to its current glorious status. It is now a destination spot for anyone coming to Waukesha. The developer has indicated that his plans will not overwhelm the current footprint. Let’s start behind home plate. I will admit that there is a lot more space behind home plate for expansion than I remembered:

My memory goes back to when there was a huge tree behind home plate, which is now gone. It’s impossible not to notice the light towers. While the lights were updated some years ago, the towers were built by an ancient Iron Age tribe, as far as I know.  The left field line has room for expansion:

However, the right field line would require expansion of the footprint. This is from behind the plate looking towards the right field line:

This is from the right field foul pole looking in. More wanton destruction of helpless lilacs:

The reconstructed Frame Park features the wonderful biking/hiking paths:

Turning to my right from that picture, this is a view from the very edge of the river bank looking back to the scoreboard in left field:

The developer says he will not disturb the paths. If you build bleachers beyond the fences, you’ll disturb the paths in left. If you move the fences back, you’ll disturb the paths. If you don’t move the the fences back … well, this would be my major concern if I was a baseball manager at Frame Park:

The left field foul pole with a 300 ft marker. How do you keep the games from descending into a Couri Insurance softball game without moving the fences back, which means moving the light towers, as well? This is the deepest part of the Frame Park diamond. It used to be a cozy 372 feet from home plate at center field, if I remember correctly. I don’t know if it’s more now, I don’t think so. In any case, you can’t move the fence far without encroaching on the towers:


The bigger question is how do you keep from changing the gem Frame Park is again?

I’m in favor of Frame Park’s baseball field. It borders on a dream for a true baseball fan to go to Frame Park on a warm summer night and watch a game, any game. I’m in favor of spending money on improving the field, the lights and the facilities. But I’m afraid I cannot support making the changes that a Northwoods League franchise would entail because the essence of the Frame family’s gift to the city would be lost.

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They would have to be really creative with left field. I think that WI’s DNR would really frown on building closer to the river or moving the shoreline into the present river flow.

At this point, I would not put it past someone to pave over the river. Why not buy the site of the possibly soon to be abandoned Walmart store and put in a baseball park there? It might get your Super Walmart going.

I still question the need for a team in Waukesha we have 81 MLB games at Miller Park and other MLB teams all with in 90 minute drive.

You have the Mallards in Madison I just do not see the need.

There is so much going on in SE Wisconsin with all the festivals in Milwaukee and all the Church Beer Tents I do not see people going to see what amounts to Low A ball all that often.

I think Roosevelt Field would be a perfect alternative.

Pewaukee Village Park might be a better alternative as well re the exisitng field and parking. But I’m torn on this. Short of a new stadium, any plan knocks a Land O’ Lakes team or a high school team out of a home, or at least severely pinches their scheduling opportunities. And I’m not convinced the level of baseball will be any higher than Land O Lakes ball, which is really a bunch of Northwoods League guys who got older.

[...] City Chronicle takes us on a photographic tour of the proposed ball park in Waukesha. More thoughts can be found [...]

[...] he didn’t read my post with all the pictures of Frame, doesn’t know I’ve been watching and playing baseball at the Frame Park diamond for 50 [...]

If I may interject an opinion merely one week before the city council votes on the proposed changes to Frame Park, I have to agree with many of the residents opinions…Frame park is unable to house such an extreme expansion. As much as my family and I love baseball, the changes to the park are completely unacceptable and overwhelming. Unless the city is able to purchase and raze the business across the street from the park, there is absolutely nowhere to park the anticipated 1000+ cars that are expected for each baseball game at the new “Frame Field”. In reality, that is not the biggest issue of my personal conflict. The park has been improved enormously over the years to a state that my family, as well as Waukesha residents can be proud of. The flower gardens alone have been protected and beautified over the generations. Although I love baseball, this proposal is disturbing to me. I truly hope that another facility, with more unused greenspace and parking will be considered.
Karen Frame

Waukesha zoning codes do not permit a “Commercial Athletic Facility” (a for-profit organization operating a baseball or football field) in a P-1 (Park). Chapter 22.05, Definitions, Item 43

A “Commercial Athletic Facility” is zoned in a B-5 “Commercial Business District” with conditional use permit.

Mayor Nelson has informed me,

“Dear Steve, There are no records concerning zoning in Frame Park initiated from the City Administrator’s Office between the dates of July 1st, 2008 and August 7th, 2008. My earlier response was not a personal opinion; it was the professional response from the city attorney’s office and community development department.”

Apparently this was a head nod, not a written opinion as requested by an open records request.
The mayor was very through about a carefully worded question to the city attorney about the deed to the property from Mr. Frame weeks ago. Doesn’t address zoning issues though.

Is the Mayor going to ask the Council to vote to prostitute Frame Park over objections of the family and the community at large with these unanswered zoning issues about parking space requirements, required licenses, drunks driving out of a family park, downtown, the county grounds, city garages, city lots, private lots after ball game?

Will the council cut $200k from their budget next year to pay for lights for the Northwoods? Do we need less police in Waukesha? Do we need a full-time Mayor?

Call your alderman to vote no.

[...] Meanwhile, the opposition to the Northwoods League proposal is getting wider and deeper as the August 19th Common Council meeting grows closer. I’ve even heard from a Frame. [...]

Everything I have seen or heard, does not show this to be an “extreme expansion”. I can’t see them needing to extend the field towards the walkway, or at least not beyond the foot of the light towers. The other fields that I looked up are all around 300-320 for left and right, and up to 370 for center.

If they are only keeping to 1500 people, then there wouldn’t need to be massive bleachers. There is room behind homeplate, and 3rd base line. The tightest area would be first base side, which would likely mean removing the lilacs.

As for parking, somehow thousands of people manage to come down for the festivals on the river and car shows. Those events also have alcohol and take over the entire park, not just the section that has nearly always been a baseball diamond.

Something to do in nearby… with family and friends… yes I am for it.

I actually went to the various team websites and gathered as many dimensions as were available. The problem with the initial proposal is that is only that. He has said that he intends to expand. The initial park doesn’t effect the footprint, but once established, how will the city say “no” if future expansion takes a little bit here and a little bit there? Pave paradise.

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